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PostPosted: Sun Dec 03, 2006 9:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I really don't see why everyone seems to be hating the academy so much. To me, the black zep represents a goal that needs acheiving, but at the moment we are not skilled enough or mature enough to go about pursuing them correctly. Many brash actions have been taken when it comes to this zep and I feel we still need the protection that the academy gives us while allowing us to hone our skills to be able to take on this menace. Are we really going to be helping rescue our parents by attacking this zep and getting captured and or killed. I can not imagine that this is what our parents would have wanted when they started this trust for us.


My problem with this is that this is a rational, logical, mature attitude from someone who is 20+. Unfortunately we're roleplaying children. Yes, children, average age being about 16. teenagers are often not rational, logical, or mature. I consider myself to be playing Gilliam rather conservatively and older than perhaps I should in restraining some of his decisions and thinking things through, but I believe your approach is out of character for children.


You're both right. Here's why:

Gilliam has grown up in comparative luxury. He's had very few real problems to deal with, and he comes from a family full of heroic high-flying millionaires. It makes absolute sense that he'd be extremely daring and optimistic about taking on incredible odds.

Guin, on the other hand, has had a very difficult life. She's had to survive on her own on the mean streets of New Orleans (which, in the 1920s, was a damn rough town), and she lost contact with her parents long ago. It's natural that she'd be more cautious and rational about facing danger.

I don't see either one of you as playing your character out of age. In fact, the idealogical differences between you two make for interesting tension in-game. The very argument you're having right now is an extension of your in-game personalities. I feel that you're both playing your characters very well.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 03, 2006 9:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The reason I say that it seems like it is in a play testing phase is that the game has gotten a huge makeover in the last several sessions. I understand your point and I believe you misunderstood me.
The game's storyline is full blown and being run as you say but the systems that we use, especially the zep and plane mechanics are essentially in a playtesting phase. Mark came up with them and we are now using them and giving feedback and debating on how smooth it is running.
Thats why TI was added, the pilot and airman stats were condensed and reworked, the new dueling system, the soon coming Zep combat revamp and other such things. These are all coming to make the system smoother and run better, that is what I meant by playtesting and I think you did to by saying the systems are fluid and experimental. There are kinks in the system and we are working them out.


As to your saying that my approach to the thinking of the characters is out of touch for children, I think you are putting the mental age of the characters more along the lines of a 12 year old than a 16 year old, especially one in the 1920's.
My one point I look to for this is namely my brother Craig, he is the same age now of the characters we are portraying and I don't believe that the line of thinking from my previous post would be out of character for him. I would think that someone who was brought up to be a well groomed business man such as Gilliam is, would be able to maintain his composure and see a way to best work the situations to his advantage and not go charging in guns blazing unprepared.

Now, I don't want you to think that I am just ripping on you or your character. You know Gilliam best, Just as I know Guin best, I mean no disrespect here at all. These are just my thoughts on the issues you brought up. I am fully aware that the way you play Gilliam is from interal modivations that only you are fully aware of. This is what leads you to play Gilliam in a brash way, as my internal thoughts lead me to play Guin as secluded and introverted. I just wanted to comment that I dont think that this kind of patient logical self preserving way of thinking is beyond the mental grasp of a 16 year old.

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 03, 2006 10:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've not read the last 2 posts fully yet but I wanted to throw my 2 cents in.

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Many brash actions have been taken when it comes to this zep and I feel we still need the protection that the academy gives us while allowing us to hone our skills to be able to take on this menace.


Let us not forget that a brash decision by our parents brought down that first black zeppelin in the first place.

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 03, 2006 10:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good point Joe, but I'm sure it was just a desperation attempt after all normal methods had failed. Not the course of action taken at the first step.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 03, 2006 10:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bulkoth wrote:
I've not read the last 2 posts fully yet but I wanted to throw my 2 cents in.

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Many brash actions have been taken when it comes to this zep and I feel we still need the protection that the academy gives us while allowing us to hone our skills to be able to take on this menace.


Let us not forget that a brash decision by our parents brought down that first black zeppelin in the first place.


Oh snap.

You also have to remember that one of them very nearly died, and you've been sent here to specifically avoid such a situation.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 2:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Any news on the changes to leadership front?
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 9:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wanted to bring up a discussion of possible changes to leadership on here so we can use this time to discuss and bounce ideas rather than the first 2 hours of a 4 hour session.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 12:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well I think we're all of the opinion that it is broken, lame "leadership" role playing doesnt really enhance the enjoyment of the game because even if you were going to say something in the first place saying "can i spend leadership?" kills any dramatic effect your words had.

I'm all for a flat refund, or even a partial one. I dont like the dumping it into daring idea, jacking someone's daring to 10 *cough* paul *cough* would be giving 4k xp for 1500 spent and daring 10 is just crazy to begin with for our age, not that we couldnt accomplish it if it was our goal but there are other things that would keep us more balanced.

This is something that is obviously up to the GM but I personally thinking forcing the refund to go into daring is a bad way to do it too. Dealing with the excess xp is problematic and it just gives most people a single point in daring making having a high daring less unique.

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 1:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd love to think of some better way to use it than just a refund. And even if I just do a refund, it'll probably be XP you can spend anywhere.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 8:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

but but my jacking of daring would only be a benefit to everyone.... imagine walking into a casino, with the very last of our cash, putting it into a slot machine, and hitting the jackpot, then taking that cash and putting it into every other slot machine and hitting those jackpots as well!!! Or, if one of us were dying and needed a heart transplant, then by some odd and incredibly fortunate genetic defect, i happen be a match, and have two hearts!!

Ohh joe your lack of vision is troubling.... someday you will see the light and come around to my side.... or i will make you Shocked

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 11:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

We could have all the money in the world and we'd just find a suspicious lack of plane shops. Something needs to maintain balance.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 10:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Who needs plane shops when we have Neil? Its parts we lack. Ok, so I also think that an xp refund would be fine. I have some things that need increasing.

Mark did we ever decide on anything for dis. doubling? we were talking about it for john and I on Grace dis and Acro Dis. Did we finalize that? Like I right now have a 3 in grace dis and a 5 in acro dis. I didn't know if it was decided that perhaps only stats get dis, or only skills get dis. Both would make sense to me. You are gifted in a stat so you generally do better with things relating to that stat even if unskilled, or that you practice a skill so much that you generally can't fail at that skill. any other ideas anyone?

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 12:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, discipline is available in both skills and stats...no immediate plans on changing that.


I was thinking of this for Leadership:

You can now give your skill levels to others, up to a level capped by your Leadership, while spending points of leadership to use it. This would not have the diminishing effect of spending Daring. You must be actively involved with instructing/assisting the person to whom you give your bonus, and the bonus does not stack with other skills (thus you may only take a leadership boost from one other person).
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 22, 2008 1:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So would it be if I were gambling with say Frost, and i'd imagine his gambling skill is lower than mine, and i notice something in the cards that he doesn't, so i spend a point of leadership, which is at 5, to the give him my base gambling skill, which say is at 7, so he would get a bonus of 5 to his gambling roll, or would his base stat for gambling be 5 for that roll, then other bonuses would be applied?

Sort of like someone is over their shoulder guiding them type thing? If so then i think that that would be a pretty good application of Leadership.

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 22, 2008 3:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's not the best example, since it'd be difficult to directly assist or instruct him at a card table, but you have the concept right.

He wouldn't get a bonus, but he'd be able to use your 5 as his gambling skill, along with whatever stat he'd be using. Thus, leadership is really only useful if you're better at the activity than someone else (skill-wise).

I realize this doesn't cover one large aspect of leadership, that being the ability to give some sort of inspiring speech and boost a large group. I'd be happy to hear any suggestions for that. It'll probably involve sharing your daring somehow.


And remember, if you hate this idea in general, tell me. It's still just an option.
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