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PostPosted: Fri Dec 12, 2008 1:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The only good Saturns are the ones that are opels. They never made a good car. I'm still a little sad I didn't finish off that rental I had, I've never driven worse.

In a more broad sense though, people *should* be thinking about value right now, not cost. Japanese cars have a much higher value than American (more quality, more resale value, less repair cost per year, etc...). The more money you save on transport, which is all a car is to 98% of the public, the more you can spend elsewhere. All of that is helpful to the indiviguall and the economy.

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 12, 2008 6:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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That their hourly rates are less that Toyota that is whose labor contracts theirs is compared to.








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PostPosted: Mon Dec 15, 2008 12:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry I reread that and was myself confused. Allow me to clearify.

When the UAW wages are brought into question, they are always compared to the Toyota plant in Tenn. This plant is not UAW and is a profitable plant. Their workers make say 39 dollars an hour.

UAW workers make 38 dollars an hour, but when you compare the broke down cost of benefits recieved my workers(Medical, 401k, Vacations and PTO) the breakdown is Toyota 65ph to UAW 89ph

So UAW whining that Toyota makes more per hour than them is laughable.

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 18, 2008 12:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

DETROIT (AP) Chrysler announced Wednesday it is closing all its North American manufacturing plants for at least a month, the starkest move taken by U.S. automakers as they anxiously await word about government loans.

All three companies have been taking dramatic steps as they struggle to survive the recession and U.S. sales have dipped to their slowest rate in 26 years. Chrysler and General Motors fear they might not have enough money to pay their bills in a matter of weeks.

Attempting to cut costs, GM was halting construction of a plant tied to one of its most important projects, the Volt. Ford also said it will shut down 10 plants for an extra week in January because of sluggish sales.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 18, 2008 12:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good. Plug-in electric cars are the dumbest fucking idea in the industry right now.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 18, 2008 8:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Volt is actually pretty cool. 40 Miles on pure electric before the gas motor kicks in which really is just a generator that powers the pure electric motor of the car.

It lets you go long distances if you want while allowing you to litterally spend $0 on gass driving anywhere nearby.

I think it's a great fucking idea and I'm sort of pissed GM is doing anything at all to slow it's progress to the market where the prius is still fucking dominating because it has no competitors in the pretentious green market.

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 18, 2008 12:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The Volt is a colossal waste of time.


Fixed.


It's a step back in usefulness in every way. It has less range, it's slower, it has really unsafe/shitty tires (like the Prius), and it takes more than SIX HOURS to charge after it stops. You may pay 0$ for gas on short trips, but electricity isn't free.

The amount of additional infrastrucure to support widespread plug-in use would also be staggering -- every driveway and parking lot would need high-voltage service for EVERY car. This would require many more high-wattage power lines to be built all over the place (and those SERIOUSLY fuck with people living near them).


Hydrogen is the ONLY good long-term solution right now, and we should be using diesel cars instead of hybrids until it gets here (but that's another argument).
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 18, 2008 12:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I believe 6 hours is only with high voltage and more amps than the average house. On a normal outlet it's more like 16h (for the tesla, but this should be comparable).
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 20, 2008 3:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Pontiac may become one-car brand, selling only the G8.

Ford's brazilian factory is a model for success, and the UAW hates it (of couse)

And finally,

Automakers are getting $17.4b and the UAW is still whining about it
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 20, 2008 4:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

*curses the now socalist government for an hour*
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 05, 2009 10:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Chrysler's early retirement package includes $50,000 cash and a $25,000 voucher to buy a car, while the Auburn Hills-based company's buyouts include $75,000 cash and a $25,000 car voucher, according to the union memo. The buyout offer is more lucrative, with $115,000 plus a $25,000 car voucher for workers with 10 or more years of seniority at closed plants in St. Louis and Newark, Del., according to the memo.

They are fucking PAYING OFF the UAW workers!!! The government needs to get our damn money back, how is spending bail out money to fire people going to help those companies?

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 05, 2009 12:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I expected nothing less really. The entire affair is just a nasty scam on the american tax-payers.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 05, 2009 1:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Does the 115k package include any loss of retirement benefits? If so, I don't think that's terribly unreasonable as far as severence goes. UAW workers tend to get a LOT of retirement benefits, and spending a giant chunk now to cut that off is perhaps a smart move.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 05, 2009 1:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It does sever the retirement benefits. So does bankruptcy...
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