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PostPosted: Fri Sep 26, 2008 3:16 pm    Post subject: Presidential Candidates Reply with quote

Instead of talking about the vice presidental and presidential candidates in one spot, I thought I would split them up!

Continue though with the debate drinking game...
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 26, 2008 10:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Damnit, I forgot to drink.


Oh well. It's your thread...what do you want to discuss about them?
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 27, 2008 10:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh, whatever comes up I suppose... I just thought I would separate the threads so VP and Pres. had their own...
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 27, 2008 10:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I guess the obvious topic is the presidential debate, though I'm not sure I have any additional insight from watching it. I think a lot of people expected McCain to get out-articulated by Obama, but he seemed to hold his own very well.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 28, 2008 4:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm going to have to find a download of it.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 06, 2008 6:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So, next debate is tomorrow night...any bingo cards for that?
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 22, 2008 12:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

As for McCain/Palin, I don't think they really did enough to sway public opinion from the "we need change" way of thought. In my opinion they would have been in a much better position if they had gone with a message of "hey your lives aren't that fucking bad, but here's what we're going to do to make them better yet."

Yes gas is expensive and we need new energy and the stock market is a mess. But honestly I have a hard time believing that(aside form 410k's) the average American is worse off today than he was when Bush came in 8 years ago.

Instead of distancing himself from Bush he should have highlighted the good things he did. He helped our country rebound from 9/11, he showed the world we can still kick ass, and he didn't do anything major to effect our average everyday life.

A person who sees the government at work every day is a person who has too much government.

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 22, 2008 12:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The country is in such an anti bush mentality that identifying with him whatsover is devestating. Look at anytime obama and biden meantion him its McCain/Bush policies.

I mean the country is not messed up because of the presidents policies but because of the congressional agenda. Which as we know is controled by the dems. Nothing like a good old switcharoo on the american public with the help of the liberal media.

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 22, 2008 2:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That has pretty much defined every campaign that I've ever seen. Pretend that the president has the power to make any law and change the world at will (the abortion issue especially kills me; do people not see how difficult it is to alter this?). The flip side is that they also blame him for all those issues too.

Like Alan just said, the real issue is congress doing bad stuff. Bush has actually used his Veto Stamp more than most, from what I've noticed.
It is funny how they never catch the blame though.

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 22, 2008 2:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

JW, did you seriously just suggest that McCain should have run on a platform of "cheer up, life ain't that bad"?

That would be...a poor choice.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 22, 2008 3:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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a poor choice.

Really? I mean I realize I'm probably in the top 90% of incomes in PA but my parents certainly aren't and while I'm not saying that all this stuff doesn't affect them, it certainly hasn't dropped their quality of life substantially.

I'm not suggesting he tell people "live responsibly" because that's certainly not what they want to hear but saying "Hey, we're still #1, and I'm going to make us better" is not a stance that wouldn't resonate today.

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 22, 2008 3:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

People don't care that we are still doing better than most of the world. They only care that they are not as good as they have been and that their situation has not gotten better recently. Many people look back to the tech era 90's economic boom and say that it was because we had Clinton in office. A trained rat would have done just as good of a job with the economy back then. Shit, 14 year old me could have. People always associate the current president with their situation. Right now thats not good.

They also associate bush/mccain with the war. Which many people were all for on 9-12-2001, many have forgotten what that day was like. Sure there were no publically disclosed WMDs in Iraq, but i'm pretty sure given the chance and time, Sadaam would have them and utilize them to attack Isreal.

The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist.

The dems have convinced the American public that their Marxist Socialist agenda is what is in their best intrest and are hiding their part in what has gotten us into this mess.

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 22, 2008 3:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I challenge the belief (mostly fostered by liberal media) that we are honestly worse off today than 8 years ago. I think that people are such sheep that because the media continually tells them that shit is getting worse thatthey begin to believe it. Unemployment is on the rise, but I still see places hiring, maybe people need to stop blaming the president and just get freaking jobs.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 22, 2008 3:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think we are fucked no matter how you slice it. I've seen every story spun for both sides. That being said, I have no further comments and will refrain from further outbursts.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 22, 2008 4:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

At this moment things are worse, mostly due to perceptions, than they have been in some time. In reality, we've been in a recession ever since that econimic boom in the 90s. I think that in the near future things will level out, and the economy will return to growth. It always works that way. Don't go and vote for a socalist just because you're concerned about your investment performance. Do you think he's going to let you keep the returns?

People just don't act or vote in rational ways. if we got the emotion of out it we'd all vote for someone outside of the major parties, well most of us anyway. Sadly it's looking like I'm going to be compelled to not write in who I really want just so I can avoid who I really don't want, again.

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